Episode Description
How do you decide whether to keep the house in your divorce?
With your home typically being one of the biggest assets you have, it’s not a simple question. It also has tremendous implications for your future, both from a financial, as well as from an emotional standpoint.
In this podcast episode, real estate expert Maci Chance shares her own journey through divorce and how it led her to specialize in helping women navigate the often-complicated decisions surrounding whether to keep their home in a divorce … or not.
Maci’s practical advice and real-life stories provide critical guidance on a myriad of real estate issues in divorce, including decluttering, staging, and smart pricing tactics. Maci emphasizes the importance of gathering accurate and complete information regarding your home BEFORE making any big decisions about it.
Maci's story serves as a beacon of hope, showing that even though letting go of the family home may seem daunting, it can be the key to unlocking a brighter future.
Show Notes
About Maci
Maci is a Realtor in the Denver, Colorado metro area who is not only skilled at helping anyone with their Real Estate transactions but her own story and professional training has put her on a path to specialize in providing support and guidance for women going through a divorce in need of selling their marital home and finding a home to start their next chapter. Her strengths lie in her ability to transform a process typically filled with fear, uncertainty and monumental challenge to one full of courage, ease and abundant opportunity.
Connect with Maci
You can connect with Maci on LinkedIn at Maci Chance, on Facebook at Maci Chance Realtor and follow Maci on Instagram at Maci Chance Realtor. To learn more about Maci’s work visit her website at Maci Chance where you can also download your copy of 5 Questions to Ask Yourself When Deciding Where to Live After Divorce.
Key Takeaways From This Episode with Maci
- Maci Chance is a realtor in Denver who specializes in helping women going through divorce sell their marital homes and find new homes.
- Maci's approach is informed by her own divorce experience 10 years ago, where she had to sell her marital home and find a new place to live.
- When facing divorce, many people's first concern is where they will live. Maci emphasizes the importance of making informed, data-driven decisions rather than emotional ones.
- Key considerations when deciding whether to keep the marital home:
- Financial feasibility (mortgage, maintenance, repairs)
- Emotional factors (memories, desire for fresh start)
- Practicality of maintaining the home alone
- Tips for selling a home during divorce:
- Get a home inspection before negotiations to uncover any issues
- Declutter and depersonalize the space
- Consider staging to help buyers visualize themselves in the home
- Set a budget for repairs and updates in the separation agreement
- Price appropriately based on condition and market
- Challenges in selling during divorce:
- Emotional attachment to the home
- Disagreements between spouses on repairs/updates
- Financial constraints
- Maci emphasizes that while divorce is challenging, it's temporary. There can be a positive future and fresh start after selling the marital home.
- Emotional challenges of selling a marital home can be significant. Maci uses her own story to provide hope and perspective to clients.
- The goal is to maximize the net proceeds from the home sale to benefit both parties financially as they move forward.
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Transcript
How to Turn Heartbreak Into a New Life With a Divorce Real Estate Expert
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
real estate, marital home, budgeting
SPEAKERS
Karen Covy, Maci Chance
TRANSCRIPT
Karen Covy : 0:02
Hello and welcome to Off the Fence, a podcast where we deconstruct difficult decision-making to try to figure out what keeps us stuck and, more importantly, how do we get unstuck. I'm your host, Karen Covy, a former divorce lawyer, mediator and arbitrator, turned coach, author and entrepreneur.
With me today. I have the pleasure of speaking with Maci Chance. Maci's, a realtor in the Denver, Colorado metro area who is not only skilled at helping anyone with their real estate transactions, but her own story and professional training has put her on a path to specialize in providing support and guidance for women going through a divorce who need to sell their rentalital home and find a home to start their next chapter. Her strengths lie in her ability to transform a process typically filled with fear, uncertainty and monumental challenge to one full of courage, ease and abundant opportunity.
Maci welcome to the show.
Maci Chance : 0:59
Oh, thanks, Karen. Thank you so much for having me.
Karen Covy : 1:04
I'm thrilled to have you here and I'd like to start, if you don't mind, with your own story. I mean, there's a lot of realtors in the world, but you do something very specific. You work with women and everybody really who's buying and selling a home, but your niche is working with women who are going through a divorce. Why? Why, as Simon Sinek says we're going to start with why.
Maci Chance : 1:28
Yeah, exactly yes. So when I so I got divorced about 10 years ago, it was shocking information to me at the time and the very first thing I asked which is most people. What most people ask is you know, where am I going to live? Um, because I didn't know if I I didn't have any idea. Could I stay in my house? Did I want to stay in my house? I wasn't sure. So the very first person that I called, was my realtor. And, um, we quickly came to the, which is what a lot of people do, because it's like you know what, where am I, where am I going to live? So I reached out to my realtor and she came and saw our house and she asked me like, do you want to stay in this house? And I immediately knew I did not want to, which is for me. That was an easy decision. For a lot of women it's, it's not, but in my particular case, I was like it's too big, it's too expensive. It's not, but in my particular case, I was like it's too big, it's too expensive. I don't, I don't want to take care of this type of house. Plus, I didn't love the memories that were in it, the energy that was in it, the colors. You know everything about it.
Maci Chance : 2:39
I was ready to move, and so my now ex-husband and I made the decision to sell the house. I moved in with my parents for a little while because I didn't know where we were going to go. And then this is actually kind of a cool little story when we were negotiating our divorce, we had gone back and forth and my ex-husband was kind of digging his heels in on some things and we finally got to a resolution and at my daughter's softball game he handed me all of his signed documents for me to take to the courthouse. I have my nine-year-old daughter in the back of the car. We're driving back to my parents' house where we were living, and I see an open house sign and I was like hey, Maria, do you mind if we go stop by this house? She's like sure, you know, nine-year-old little sure, let's go. We looked, we walked in and I was like this is it, this is the house that I want. So it was this weird opening that happened right when, you know, everything was finalized.
Maci Chance : 3:40
I ended up going under contract on that house, um, within the next couple of days, um, and then, you know, moved into that house. But it was, um, it was a very challenging situation because I was like, how am I going to do this? I asked my financial advisor should I do this? We had a mediator, but I didn't really have great information. And anyway, everything all worked out. We moved into that house, I did lots of updates to it, you know, and then, through my career journey, I started working for a gentleman who owned a real estate company.
Maci Chance : 4:14
So, to wrap it up, pretty quickly, I really learned how to understand the value of real estate and the financial stability it gave me by being in a 30-year fixed mortgage, my payment wasn't changing the emotional stability that it gave for me and my kids as well.
Maci Chance : 4:34
And so an opportunity came up for me to go into real estate brokerage meaning helping people buy and sell and I immediately knew that that's what I wanted to do. And I immediately knew that I wanted to help people who were in my situation years before that and help guide them through that process. That was a really long way of saying my why is to be who I needed. At the time. I didn't know what I didn't know. I had a wonderful realtor who didn't have a lot of information about divorce. I want to be a resource for people when they need to find, you know, a divorce attorney, a divorce mediator, a divorce coach. You know you, people call their realtor when they need something, and especially in divorce, they call their realtor. So. So that's my why around all of this, wow, and there was so much in there I didn't even know where to start.
Karen Covy : 5:32
The place I'd like to start is a lot of women, especially women who still have kids at home, are not going to come to that immediate realization that you came to. They're going to. Most women. They, I think, for better or for worse, they equate stability for the kids with I have to keep the house, and sometimes that's totally the right decision. Sometimes it's not. What tips would you give someone who's in that situation, who's trying to figure it out? Can I afford to keep the house? Should I keep the house? Does this make sense? Because I don't think people think about the things that you instinctively thought about, Like, I don't love the colors. This is too much house. This has got so many memories Like what would you tell women to think about and how do they analyze this question?
Maci Chance : 6:22
Yeah, and that's such a great question A lot of the calls that I get. I have a lot of therapists that refer their clients to me, because they're usually the ones finding out that they're getting divorced, and the women are completely overwhelmed and so they call me. Because what I tell the people that call me and people that become my clients, we're going to arm you with information and data so that we can make really good, informed decisions, not emotional decisions, because there's just so much emotion running through everything and when you're making such a major financial decision, you really want to make sure you have really good data as to what makes sense. It might make sense for you to stay in the home, but it might not, and so then, when you start to gather all this information, so if they're calling me, I'm immediately connecting them with a divorce lending professional. There are lenders out there with their certified divorce lending professional designation that it's an amazing organization that really gives very good information to these lenders about how to guide people through making this decision. They have a whole program that they run people through, and so I partner with them because I know when I send my clients to them, they're getting really good you know good advice about what to do and so really when.
Maci Chance : 7:46
To answer your question specifically, it's really about what makes sense financially, because if you're strapped and stressed out by money because you chose to stay in the home assuming you even can because of the market currently, which we can talk about, but you're not going to be good for your kids If you're so stressed out about staying in the home, like putting a stake in the ground and going I'm going to stay in this home no matter what because I think it's what's best for my kids Well, what your kids need is a mom that's grounded and working through her stuff and able to be present with her kids, versus so worried about how do I make this payment, how am I going to do the upkeep, how am I going to you know all this stuff by myself, because it's a lot to take on by yourself.
Karen Covy : 8:38
It is a lot to take on by yourself. And if you could just elaborate on some of the things that people need to think about when making that decision, because I think a lot of women say, oh well, I can make this mortgage payment, so I should be able to, I should be fine, I should be able to keep the house. But there's more to it than just the mortgage. What else do they need to think about?
Maci Chance : 9:04
Right, but there's more to it than just the mortgage. What else do they need to think about, right? So I mean, logistically speaking, you're going to want to do an inspection on your home before you say, yes, I'll take it, because there may be underlying issues that you don't know about. That could be very costly. You could need a new roof, you could need a new furnace, you could need a new water heater. I mean, those are thousands and thousands of dollars worth of things that need to be done. So that's when you're in negotiations with your ex.
Maci Chance : 9:28
Those are things that you should have an awareness of. So, first and foremost, the maintenance of the home is very expensive, and so to make sure that you're set up to be able to handle that, it's not just about the mortgage payment, it's about, I mean, you know all of the maintenance that has to happen on the home is a big part of that. And then you talk about the emotional labor of the house, because it's all the things that have to be done around the house which you know we can handle, but just being aware that you are going to be the only person doing it.
Maci Chance : 10:03
I tell this story. When I bought my house, I had to. I mean, it was, it was all on me. You know I had to figure out. You know I had this. Sad to say, I'd never mowed the lawn before because my ex-husband loved to do it, and so I had to figure out how to mow my own lawn. You know, we had, and so we had a tree in the front yard, in my front yard that had died. So luckily I was able to. My stepdad helped me anyways.
Maci Chance : 10:31
So then I was left with okay, I got to put sod out, I got to do all this stuff. Well, sod is heavy, it's, you know. You got to go to the store and get it. I bought gloves to go do all this work and I think it was just kind of like the straw that broke the camel's back I opened up the gloves that I bought and they had been mispackaged, and so there were two left-handed gloves and I'm not kidding you I dropped and cried. I was like I can't do this anymore. It was a stupid thing to have to do, but it was just like every little thing I had been doing on my own and I got over it and it was fine, but it's just a funny story about, like, how I started crying over two left-handed gloves.
Karen Covy : 11:14
No, but I totally get it because it is a lot of work and what I hope that people out there listening here is that I mean what you said was brilliant Get a home inspection before you get a divorce and before you start negotiating. Because the other thing I can tell people as a mediator, as a lawyer, as somebody who's negotiated hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of divorces and other kinds of settlements in my life if you know that what's wrong beforehand, you could negotiate with your soon-to-be ex and say, look, we need a new roof. That's $20,000. Either you give me there's some credit for that or we sell the house and you know we'll both take the hit from it.
Maci Chance : 12:03
Right, exactly, yeah, so definitely, you know, getting all that logistical stuff kind of cleared away is super, super important, you know. And then you run into where we're at in our market currently, which is people have a lot of equity built up in their home because of the increase in property values over the last four years. So how does that factor in, right? So you know, the conversations that I'm having with people really are starting with what do you want? And then let's see what's possible, because, if you know, I'm dealing with a divorcing couple right now. They have $800,000 in equity in their home. I mean, that's a lot.
Maci Chance : 12:46
And you know, the wife really was wanting to stay in the home and she looked six ways to Sunday to try to figure out how she could do it, but at the end of the day she wasn't able to come up with the $400,000 to pay out her ex, and so ultimately the decision was to sell the house. But those things are what are driving decisions, and so that I mean which I'm sure you're fully aware of, as you're seeing, you know, in your mediations-
I think a lot of people right now they're caught in the.it's not even so much the real estate end of it, it's the mortgage end of it, because they've got really nice mortgages with really low interest rates that they can't get today.
Karen Covy : 13:31
So if somebody is going to, you know, in the past it was easier, not that any of this is easy. But it was easier because you could go. You could take money out of the equity refinance into a whole new loan and you did okay, that's not possible anymore. I mean, it may be possible, but your interest rate is going to go up dramatically.
Maci Chance : 14:05
Correct, yeah it may be possible, but your interest rate is going to go up dramatically, correct, yeah.
Karen Covy : 13:52
So how do people? What do they do when they're looking at having to refinance to get the money out and then getting stuck with a much higher interest rate?
Maci Chance : 14:05
Yeah, I mean, like I said, in this particular case it was, you know. She just ended up having to sell because it wasn't going to be feasible. Now there are options potentially and this is not my zone of genius, I would be referring this to my certified divorce lending partners but assumptions are possible in most cases, depending on the lender in a divorce situation, and so you can work with somebody to help walk you through that. Now the challenge with that is, if you're in a 2% or 3% mortgage, more than likely you have quite a bit of equity, so an assumption is just taking over the mortgage. As it is, you can't pull any money out of that particular assumption, so you still would need to come up with that extra cash to pay out your partner or your ex-partner, that extra cash to pay out your partner or your ex-partner. But again, it just comes back to talking to people that can really look at your situation and say here's what it would look like if you know X, y and Z, and that's really, really the most important thing.
Karen Covy : 15:07
Yeah, and I think for people and this is why I also usually counsel my coaching clients to speak with a financial advisor. You mentioned that you went to your financial advisor before you made the decision of can I afford to buy a new house? Because you know, even if they're, if they're keeping the house and they can assume the mortgage. And let's say there is something else typically a retirement account it's like one spouse is going to get the retirement account, one's going to get the mortgage. And let's say there is something else typically a retirement account it's like one spouse is going to get the retirement account, one's going to get the house. Well, that's great. A retirement account has restrictions on what you can take out, but at least it's got some liquidity to it. Your house you can't eat your house, right? You can't buy groceries with your house. So how people can make that decision? Because you don't want to be house poor, correct.
Maci Chance : 15:57
Yeah, I mean it really. It's so important. I mean I can't say this enough about really making logical decisions versus emotional decisions, you know, and that's so hard, it's so hard in this situation, I know.
Karen Covy : 16:12
Well, what do you do? Let's take, let's change the scenario a little bit. So you've got a couple in. They've come to the conclusion that they just need to sell the house. Right, it's, it is what makes sense for them. Yep, right now I know we're still I don't know how it is by you, but we're still kind of in a seller's market, right? But the question is, even if you're in a seller's market, you want to make sure that you get the most dollars you can for your house. How can a couple or, you know, a person, anybody, do that so that they get the most value and the most dollars in their pocket at the end of the day?
Maci Chance : 16:48
Right, and so this is the conversation I have with all of my sellers. The market has shifted a little bit, but it's a really good thing because it's shifted to a little bit depending on where you are. It's very location specific, but a little bit more of a seller's market still. There just isn't enough inventory in general, so there still is somewhat of a seller's market. But I tell all of my clients, the way you're going to maximize your net proceeds of your house is by getting your house ready to sell. And by getting your house ready to sell, I mean you are depersonalizing, you're decluttering and this is going to be a little woo woo, but you're also releasing.
Maci Chance : 17:41
And I'm a very logical person, but I also believe in energy and all these homes have energy, and especially in a divorce situation, it's not always great energy, and so it really is about releasing the house in whatever way that means to you. If you're a logical person, you're like OK, I'm done, this is what makes sense, walk away. If you're a more of emotional person, it is really about saying goodbye to the house. I wrote a whole article for Divorce Girls Smiling about how you can actually do that because it's emotional and it's difficult to release it. But buyers do pick up on some of that energy. But, more importantly, buyers if they can walk into a home and see themselves living in the home, meaning they're not walking in and seeing a bunch of clutter, they're not walking in and seeing all of your family photos, they're walking in and seeing somewhat of a clean slate.
Maci Chance : 18:29
I do believe that staged homes sell faster than empty homes, and for more money, because again, it's that visualization Even an empty room looks small until you put furniture in it. I had a client the other day going I don't think my king bed will fit in here. Not only did it fit but it had, you know, four feet on each side, but you just so you can't, it's. It's easier to you know four feet on each side but you just say you can't. It's easier to visualize it when there's furniture in the room anyway. So those are the like, those are the logistical things about getting your home ready to sell and to try to sell it for the most money.
Karen Covy : 19:05
Right. So when people are doing this I mean, some of my clients have been married for a long time, right. So do you have any suggestions, any tips on how they can get in and do that decluttering Because it's a nice simple word, Say oh, just declutter your house. For some people that's really a big challenge. How? Do they start doing it? Do they get a storage unit, start offloading to their store? How, how do you? What do they do?
Maci Chance : 19:34
Well, I'll just share my experience. I mean, what I did was I went through most of my stuff and got rid of what I felt like I could get rid of. And now that I look back, when I first moved, I did a little bit. And then I moved again and I did a little bit more and because you're just not quite ready to let go of everything. And so you know what, if you need to get a storage unit because you're worried that you don't want to get rid of this and you're not ready, and it costs you a hundred dollars a month and you can afford that for a storage unit, then do it Like, don't put pressure on yourself around it, but if it really does, you know hold joy or whatever around it. But if it really does, you know hold joy or whatever you know spark joy. Whatever the Marie Kondo method is, let it go. I mean it is an opportunity for everybody to get a fresh start. So letting go of the things that don't serve you and that are kind of weighing you down, do it that. I mean that's the DIY method. There's also people that will help you do this, which can be really, really beneficial, especially if you're in a super challenged situation or a time-sensitive situation. I mean, this is what just happened on a listing that I have right now.
Maci Chance : 20:48
There was a time crunch to get things done, and so we did as much as we could. There's still stuff in the house that hasn't been cleared out. It's in the storage unit or in the crawl space, rather, and it's in the garage. But we got the house itself cleared out and so, really, you know, you start with what do we need to do to get the house ready to sell that people will see? So you know the closets, the kitchen, that kind of stuff. Then we'll move to the areas that people can't see the garage. You know if you have a crawl space or an attic or things like that, because all of that can get done eventually.
Karen Covy :
Yeah, that's really really good advice. What about things like I don't know? I've just always heard when you're going to sell your house, you have to paint everything.
Maci Chance : 21:33
That’s more a budget situation. Also, one of the things that I tell the divorce attorneys I work with like, please, like, be as detailed as possible in the separation agreement about the disposition of the home. How much money are they going to budget towards sale preparation? You know when does it need to be on, when does it need to go active on the market? You know, talking about price reductions like, the more that we can get clarity around me, the realtor can have clarity around what's in place, the less decisions that have to be made between the two parties, yeah.
Karen Covy : 22:16
I love what you just said about make a budget for home preparation, for repairs, for whatever it is, because what I've seen in the cases that I've worked in lawyers have a tendency to just say, okay, we'll split the repairs 50-50. We'll split the house prep 50-50. But there's no talking or discussion about what's the total budget, what's the total amount you want to spend, and you almost always have one person who is in a better financial position than the other, so one person's like a better financial position than the other.
Karen Covy : 22:55
So that person's like, yeah, let's do everything and the other person is saying, no, I can't afford that. And then exactly fights, and it by articulating a budget on the front end. I think that should go a long way towards saving a lot of fights on the back end.
Maci Chance : 23:07
A hundred percent. I mean, if, anytime I'm talking to, like for any attorneys that are listening, mediators, coaches, all of that like, the more detailed that you can be, the easier it's going to be for your client to make it through this and, as a side note, much easier for the realtor too. Also important, yes, yeah, I mean and really gets them to the best possible result, which is getting them the highest net proceeds, which is, you know, that's always the focus. But, to answer your question, it really depends on the budget, because you definitely want to do as much as you can up front when you're selling a house so that again, people buyers walk in going, oh wow, I can just move in.
Maci Chance : 23:47
Again, people buyers walk in going, oh wow, I can just move in. You know, if they're walking in and going, God, I got to pay. People think paint is really expensive and I'm not saying it's cheap, but it's definitely not a reason to walk away from a home, depending on your budget, obviously. But people have this perception that painting something is really expensive, it's going to take a lot of time, and so you want to remove as many of the of the objections that buyers might have on the front end. So if the if there's, you know if the home needs to be painted, that's always something that I recommend if the budget allows for that.
Karen Covy : 24:21
Yeah, that makes sense. That reminds me of one time when I was in the market for a house. I walked into this one place. It was like I've heard that you should paint first, right? This was the classic example of why that was true. The woman in there was an artist and she liked island art, you know, really colorful, that kind of thing. She painted everything. Colorful, that kind of thing. She painted everything. I mean everything. The floors, the hardwood floors were painted with Island art. The walls, the ceilings, the furniture, everything had this. And you walked in and you just didn't know where to look. Yeah, like it was so much it was impossible to even see in your head what would this house look like if it was just painted white? Exactly? And I can understand why she wouldn't want to paint over all of what she perceived to be her beautiful artwork, but don't know a lot of other people that would have left it that way.
Maci Chance : 25:23
Yeah, definitely not. I mean, it's a prime example of why taking away your personal preferences, making things as neutral as possible, is super important when you're getting ready to sell a home. People are funny, Buyers are funny, and right now, especially when we do have a little bit more inventory on the market, they'll just go to the next house, and so you know, doing it unless in pricing obviously is important. Now, if I have clients that are like we can't afford to do anything, then we'll price it appropriately because we want to price it at a place where it's going to sell quickly. Um, because sitting on the market ends up costing more money over time as well.
Maci Chance : 26:06
So, getting you know, getting clear on, can they do these updates? Is this even possible? Can we bring a handyman in or a handy person in for a day to fix up some of the things that have not been fixed over the years? Cause we all have that in our homes, but we don't think about it until we have to sell. So you know, those are, those are. That's the conversation that we're having when we're getting ready to list what's feasible, and here's what I recommend that we do, you know, starting with the top priorities and then if we can't get to those bottom priorities, then we'll price it differently, Right?
Karen Covy : 26:40
Well, what do you do, though, in a situation where the problem isn't necessarily budgetary, but it is that emotional issue? Necessarily budgetary, but it is that emotional issue? Either you've got somebody who, like the artist, doesn't want to paint over it, or, like a spouse, who really doesn't want to leave. They're sort of leaving under protest because they know they have no choice, they know financially they should and I'm using air quotes here but they really don't want to. How can you help people deal with that emotional you know the emotional aspect of the selling of the home.
Maci Chance : 27:18
So it depends on the client, but what I do try to do is I do try to share my own story and part of why I love what I do is I feel like I can be a light for people who are going through a really dark time and it's very hard to see what life looks like on the other side of whatever challenge you're going through. But I am an example of that. You know, I went now. I didn't have to reluctantly give up my home because I knew that's what I wanted, but my life is so much richer and better now.
Maci Chance : 27:51
I'm in an amazing relationship with my husband, Like I have you know, I just got remarried two years ago Like there's so much goodness on the other side, and so I just try to share my own story and some people are receptive to that,. And some people really want to stay dug in and that's okay, I mean, you know not, not everybody wants to see, you know, the light at the end of the tunnel. They're still very mired in in their challenges. But for the people that are like, okay, yes, I, I see that and I know that that letting go of this home is what's going to help free me to move on to something better, that I don't even know what that is, and that's what I do is. I try to share that with them.
Karen Covy : 28:33
That is so beautiful, and but that's the message I mean if people take nothing else from our conversation to hear that that you know that sometimes it takes letting go of what you have to get to that better thing, and a better life, but letting go is scary because in the moment you don't know if you're going to get that better thing.
Maci Chance : 29:38
Divorce feels very overwhelming and there's a gray cloud kind of over you, but it doesn't last forever and there is so much hope about what happens next.
Karen Covy : 29:48
I, oh my God, I love that. That is so but because it's true. I mean I always tell that, I tell my clients you want your divorce to be a blip in the radar screen of your life. You don't want it to be the defining moment that colors everything. From that point forward, it's just no one wants to live there. From that point forward, it's just no one wants to live there. And what you're doing, the work that you're doing, especially helping people realize that sometimes giving up the house helps you move to that next chapter faster.
Karen Covy : 30:25
Maci, this has been such an amazing conversation. I could just go on and on and on, but thank you for your time and, to be respectful of that, I'm going to bring a wrap around this. But if people want to talk to you, if they're inspired by your story or they want to work with you, where's the best place people can find you?
Maci Chance : 30:47
So my website is MaciChance,com M-A-C-I-C-H-A-N-C-E.com. I'm on Instagram as Maci Chance Realtor, I'm on Facebook as Maci Chance Realtor and I'm on LinkedIn as Maci Chance.
Karen Covy : 31:00
Thank you so much again for sharing your time and your expertise and, most importantly, your story. I really appreciate it.
Maci Chance :
Thanks so much for having me.
Karen Covy :
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