Episode Description
Ever wonder how societal norms and deep-seated beliefs shape your relationships and self-worth?
In this episode, Junie Moon, CEO of Midlife Love Out Loud, shares her transformational journey from a life consumed by fear and low self-esteem to one of self-love and empowerment. Junie reveals the life-changing impact that Shadow Work had for her and how she now uses Shadow Work as a tool to help others change their lives as well.
We also dive deeply into the complexities of relationship dynamics, focusing on the crucial role that boundaries and effective communication have in creating relationships that last. We also talk about how societal pressures can inhibit our ability to express our true desires, often leading to emotional turmoil and relationship breakdowns.
Whether you're stuck in a bad relationship or just want to improve your self-confidence, this episode will provide you with practical steps to break free from old patterns and build a life on your own terms.
Show Notes
About Junie
Junie Moon, CEO of Midlife Love Out Loud, a Global Love Mentor, Best-selling Author, Women's Empowerment Leader, and Certified Shadow Work® Coach, has supported thousands of women over the past 30 years to claim what is their birthright: the freedom to be and love themselves without apology.
When women experience this freedom to love themselves without apology, they attract life-long Next Level Love and experience an extraordinary second half of life. Junie is dedicated to guiding women in midlife on a transformative journey towards self-discovery and empowerment.
Connect with Junie
You can connect with Junie on LinkedIn at Love Coach Junie Moon and on Facebook at Midlife Love Out Loud. You can follow Junie on X at Coach Junie Moon, on Instagram at Midlife Love Out Loud and on her YouTube Channel at Midlife Love Out Loud. To find out more about Junie’s work visit her website at Midlife Love Out Loud.
Bonus: Find out your level of Relationship Readiness - Discover your Love Superpower - Experience long-lasting healthy love sooner! Take the 2-Minute Quiz What is your Love Avatar?
Key Takeaways From This Episode with Junie
- Junie Moon is the CEO of Midlife Love Out Loud, a global love mentor, author, and certified shadow work coach.
- Junie's mission is to help women, especially in midlife, find self-love and attract fulfilling relationships.
- Junie shares her personal journey of overcoming self-esteem issues, fear, and unhealthy relationship patterns.
- Junie emphasizes the importance of shadow work in uncovering unconscious beliefs and fears that hinder personal growth and relationships.
- Key topics discussed include:
- Overcoming fear and self-doubt in relationships
- The importance of healthy boundaries
- Learning to communicate effectively in relationships
- Identifying what you truly want in life and relationships
- Breaking free from limiting beliefs and past conditioning
- Junie explains how the "risk manager" part of our psyche can hold us back from positive change.
- She discusses the value of inner work and self-exploration in preparing for healthy relationships.
- Junie offers a quiz called "Discover your Love Avatar" to help assess relationship readiness.
- She emphasizes that change is possible with honesty and willingness to look at oneself.
- Junie's website midlifeloveoutloud.com offers resources including her podcast, articles, and opportunity for consultation.
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Transcript
Breaking Free from Fear: The Path to Self-Worth with Junie Moon
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
midlife, shadow work, boundaries, transformation
SPEAKERS
Karen Covy, Junie Moon
Karen Covy Host
00:02
Hello and welcome to Off the Fence, a podcast where we deconstruct difficult decision-making to try to figure out what keeps us stuck and, more importantly, how do we get unstuck. I'm your host, Karen Covy, a former divorce lawyer, mediator and arbitrator, turned coach, author and entrepreneur.
With me today I have the privilege of speaking with Junie Moon. Junie is the CEO of Midlife Love Out Loud. She's a global love mentor, best-selling author, women's empowerment leader and certified shadow work coach. Junie has supported thousands of women over the past 30 years to claim what is their birthright the freedom to be and love themselves without apology. That freedom in turn helps them attract lifelong next level love and experience an extraordinary second half of life. Junie's been featured on News 12, New Jersey Blog, talk Radio Authority Magazine Thrive Global and in the Newark International with her film Shed the Shame. She's also the bestselling author of Loving the Whole Package, shed the Shame and Live Life Out Loud, and she's the host of the successful Midlife Love Out Loud podcast. Junie, welcome to the show.
Junie Moon Guest
01:18
Thanks for having me. So good to see you.
Karen Covy Host
01:21
It's good to see you and I'd like to start by diving into your backstory your why. Why do what you do? Why Midlife Women, why Love Out?
Junie Moon Guest
01:33
Thank you for asking that, because it really is a big passion of mine and I have such a dedication and commitment to helping others have an extraordinary second half, because I didn't have that for the longest time. I suffered terribly. And let me just start by saying that I love my life now. I have experienced what I call next level love, where I could just be myself, not jump through people's hoops, get my needs met, speak my truth and have deep heart to heart, soul to soul love.
02:06
But that was not my story. It took me till my mid-forties to really change that. I walked on eggshells in my marriage, afraid to rock the boat. I micromanaged everything. I was scared, I was scared of being left, I was scared of drama, I was scared of conflict and ultimately, I found this body of work that changed my life, called shadow work, and that helped me find my voice. It helped me find my confidence.
02:33
I didn't know I was dealing with self-esteem issues, even though I was 200 pounds and miserable and I mean, yes, I was 200 pounds. I used to go up and down the scale, 40, 50 pounds at a time, and I thought I had a food problem. And then I realized after doing this work. It was so, beyond the food, that was a symptom of my pain and discomfort. So I share this thing. Well, because you asked me.
02:58
But I share this because you know the specifics of that, because I never thought in my wildest dreams that I'd be fearless and I am other than my fear of losing my beloveds.
03:09
And even that you know I work, I work it. Um, I am just myself now and I love my life, and I and I knew that if I can do it, other people can do it, and I'm actually a trained, licensed acupuncturist. I don't know if you know that or not, and when my son moved out, that was 2012. I was like, well, I can reinvigorate my acupuncture practice. That would have been easy, good money, all that jazz but that wasn't where I was at anymore. I was like I'm different. Now I know something and I can have a huge impact in helping others wake up and really put a stake in the ground to have a life that they could never even imagine was possible because I didn't know it. But I know it now, and so I absolutely love helping women, especially women, rise up and claim the second half on their terms with freedom and joy and confidence.
Karen Covy Host
04:03
You know that is amazing, and I think that's why you and I get along so well, because I have a similar mission and passion to help people live life on their terms, not somebody else's life, your life. You only get one shot at this, at least as far as we know.
Junie Moon Guest
04:22
in this body, with this personality, with this name, I only got one shot Exactly, exactly.
Karen Covy Host
04:25
And speaking of body, because I know that if people are listening to this podcast, they can't see you. I don't know how tall you are, because it's hard to tell on Zoom, but you are this little wisp of a thing I cannot imagine you gaining, and losing 40, 50 pounds.
Junie Moon Guest
04:42
I'm 5'3", so I am not a tall big woman, and I'm not a tiny woman either, like physically even now, even after all that weight, you know, I hold about 150, 155, you know, and so I'm not this tiny stick figure. I have juicy thighs, my boobs aren't as perky as they used to be, and these are some of the things that are the biggest challenges, or at least one of the big challenges that women over 40 and 50 deal with, which is like who's going to want me? I'm too old, I'm too fat? Well, it's just not true. However, that's the belief system, and those are the things that we all pick up about how we are and how we aren't, and I don't know if you know this or not, but I well, you said it in my bio, I don't know if you've seen it.
05:25
I did a short film called Shed the Shame, and I had a well-known body painter paint my naked body, and I hired a videographer because I realized I could do it. I was. I had so much shame for most of my life I couldn't even like leave the house. Sometimes I had nothing to wear, and that wasn't because of my life. I couldn't even leave the house. Sometimes I had nothing to wear and that wasn't because of my weight, no matter what weight I was. I had so much shame and I just was so scared of being seen. So I did this film about body image and body shame to share my journey around that, but also that we can change, we can heal, and it's a beautiful metaphor that if something is hurting you, there's something in the background that can shift and we can have so much more joy and so much more freedom.
Karen Covy Host
06:09
That is amazing and it's such a beautiful message. And I was just speaking with a potential client today and your words are resonating so much because she had been stuck in a bad marriage for decades as many of my clients have been right and her biggest fear was that, okay, what if I get out of this? What if I leave this bad situation and there's nothing else? What if I'm alone all my life? What if I'm? I mean, I think she didn't put it in these terms, but fundamentally the question is, what if I'm unlovable?
Junie Moon Guest
06:43
Yeah, and that's one of the things that I support women with, which is to really get to the core of what's the big fear? I'm afraid I'm unlovable, I'm afraid I might be betrayed again. If I really open up my heart, I might be left, I might be cheated on, someone might die on me. There are so many things that we carry from all the experiences in our life and so that's a huge fear of, if I leave, what's on the other side? And human beings don't like mystery, we don't like the I don't know where I'm going to land, and so a lot of times, you know we've heard the infamous comfort zone. Well, we know what we know. We're dealing with the pain that we have. Could it be worse?
07:25
But what I always say is you need to stretch your comfort zone, you need to learn who you are, you need to get those tools so that you can have an extraordinary second half of life, whether you have a partner or not, because, frankly, if you're scared, you're going to be alone. If you're scared, there's something wrong with you, you're going to be bringing that to the next relationship and you're probably going to recreate what you did before. Now, that's scary. However, if you wake up and you realize that you are not at the mercy of that training. That's between your ears and I promise you you're not, because if I can do it, you can do it. The thing is is that do you want to stay in the painful dynamic that you're in? Are you willing to take a risk to look at what's possible? And when you look, it's not so scary.
Karen Covy Host
08:08
Well, what would you say to somebody who is just they're, they're in the fear, they're petrified. How do you help them get past that block, get past that fear, so that I mean they can say intellectually, yes, I want that amazing second half, I want a beautiful life, but there's still the fear still stops them from getting it. How would you help someone like that.?
Junie Moon Guest
08:34
Thank you for that. That's such an important question because we can want something. But then how do we stop ourselves, how do we self-sabotage, how do we cause ourselves to not trust ourselves or doubt it's even possible, and that again is ultimately fear of something bad happening. So, in this body of work called shadow work I'm trained and licensed in shadow work and the original body of shadow work, and I say that because there's a lot of people saying they do shadow work and they might be doing their version. I just wanted to like say that fully trained here and amazing, and we do these special processes to help people really see what the fear is about. So what's the block? Why is that? And so your question is well, why is that so?
09:18
Without going into specifics, there's, you know, we're wired to survive. We're not wired for pleasure, even though we want pleasure and we deserve pleasure. In my opinion, we're born with this human journey that's been around, for, you know, eons saying don't get kicked out of the tribe or you will die. And so we have all these survival instincts and those are good things. And we say that there's this part inside of us. We call it the risk manager, and this part comes online at a very early age, if not from your first breath, saying, okay, I need to make sure you're going to be okay. I have to assess the situation and make sure you're not going to fall down in that hole. Date the same guy, get your heart broken, whatever your fear is.
10:08
That part is online and watching and assessing and creating strategies to keep you right where you are because of the mystery. So it uses things like the inner critic. It says, oh, no one's going to want you or you're not lovable. And a lot of this is unconscious. We just know, we're scared, we just doubt, we're just like, oh my God, I can't do it.
10:33
And so this work that I offer helps shine a light. We literally shine a light on the unconscious realm, which is 95% of our brain, running the show, so that we have more choice and can kind of go oh, I didn't realize I was protecting myself in that way. Well, wait a second, that's extreme, I don't actually need to do it that way, I could do it in a different way. And then we become more empowered to make different choices. And we don't have and this is important too.
11:04
That risk manager is always thinking we're going to jump off a cliff without the parachute, I'm just going to go and get a relationship and it's going to be better, and in the background it's like, oh my God, does she not remember what happened last time? So we need to update the risk manager, we need to get it with these special processes to help you have the confidence and the clarity and the ability to take it step by step and not just throw caution to the wind. And get it to know this part inside of you, to know that you're not that little girl anymore and that you yes, you do need support, you do need good, healthy discernment and boundaries and you don't throw caution to the wind because you're a smart, empowered, wise older woman.
Karen Covy Host
11:51
That you just said a very interesting word boundaries. Yeah, so so many people that I've seen in relationships, especially women, have a tendency to have very they're porous boundaries. Their boundaries look like Swiss cheese. What would you say to someone? How can you help support someone to, first of all, understand what their boundaries are or what they can have boundaries around, because I think it starts there. So many of my clients they're like they didn't even know that they could have a boundary about something and then so how to find them and how to hold them huge, huge piece to the puzzle.
Junie Moon Guest
12:36
It's a huge piece boundaries. There are a lot of other things, but boy, boundaries are so key because inside of boundaries is the ability to draw a line in the sand and say yes or no, the ability to have good communication and be able to speak our truth. We have not been taught how to do that and women, men have been taught on some level societal, uh, training on stepping on people's boundaries and being the guy and and I'm not going to go into that, but you know it, you know they've been trained in their way. And women overall have been trained to be the nurturers. Go with the flow, don the boat. I mean, it was just a heartbeat ago that we were in the kitchen just taking care of the house and being with kids and nurturing and supporting everybody.
13:26
So it is a huge thing that I see over and over and over when I speak with people that are like, well, I want this, but I'm terrified and blah, blah, blah, and it's like where are the boundaries? So we start and this is for everybody start with what you desire, just like, take a moment and ask yourself what is it that you want? Where are you getting in your own way. What are the strategies, what are your patterns, what are you doing or not doing? And then ask yourself what's so scary about it? And you most likely will find at least something in the boundary area of if I speak up, I might be criticized. If I show my true self, I won't be loved. There's all these pieces, and so I mean it's a really hard question to actually answer because there's just so many ways to look at it. But ultimately we've learned that boundaries separate. If I set a boundary, I'm going to look like a bitch, I'm going to look like I'm too much. I mean, these are the common themes that I hear versus if I share my truth in a healthy way, that it actually brings me closer and has me have deeper connection with others, because they're sensing a very healthy way of sharing.
14:47
We are not taught that. We're taught to yell. We're taught to, especially women. Women tend to not be very direct. Men tend to be way more direct and sometimes they get hurt because they're so direct and we're like, oh my God, you could have softened it up a little bit, you know, but they don't know how to do it either in a conscious, healthy, loving way. And women, we tend to bite, we tend to be sarcastic and that's how we set our boundaries, like, oh yeah, well, obviously you forgot the milk again, you know, versus honey.
15:14
We need to have a conversation. Is this a good time? Let's chat. And so when I work with people, we're pulling back the curtains and going what's not working? What did you learn about boundaries? What's so scary about sharing your truth? What's it like to open and be seen vulnerably? We've had all of these experiences that have us being so frigging careful. But the beautiful thing is, we get to this age and we go. Well, this isn't working and if I really want another relationship, I want to do it differently. And, as you know, second marriages have even a higher divorce rate, third marriages even higher divorce rates, like 60, 65% of second marriages, because people aren't figuring this out and we need to figure this out.
Karen Covy Host
16:01
Yeah, I mean, it's like I like to tell my clients you're going to take you wherever you go, right? So if you figure this stuff out now and it's not even always about your spouse, right, You're in a relationship with somebody. The relationship isn't working and the ironic part is people are afraid to hold their boundaries because they don't want the conflict, and yet it's the avoidance of the conflict that's keeping the relationship in the state that it is. Like you said, you'd be so much closer if you could just talk and have the conversation, but they're so afraid to do that.
Junie Moon Guest
16:43
Yeah, and we've learned to sweep things under the rug and well, it's not so bad. Or I really don't want to annoy you and I don't want the conflict, and that was my marriage. I mean, I micromanaged everything, and then it would be the tipping point where they'd just be like I'm too tired or I was too stressed, and that last little thing, and I would blow and I would literally beat him on the chest. So here I am afraid of conflict and afraid of drama. Talk about emotional frigging, drama out of nowhere, and that's what happens when we deny our truth and we don't have the tools to actually have that good communication.
17:23
It's one of the things I spend a lot of time on with my one-on-one clients as well as my group program. It's like, like, over time, we need to learn how to have these difficult conversations that sometimes scare us in a way where we actually are building bridges, not burning them, where we're calling somebody in. You know intimacy. If we want deep connection, we need to be able to open and go ouch, when this happened. Ouch, this is what went on inside of me Doesn't mean what they did wasn't okay. It's not about giving them a free pass. It is about saying this is what happens to me. When this happens and they get to know that whatever they said, whatever they did, had an impact on you, and then you get to see where your relationship is. But the more we aren't truthful and the more we're all kind of dodging the conversations, we know where that leads Divorce, pain, drama, conflict. It sucks, it totally sucks.
Karen Covy Host
18:27
Yeah, you're right. It does totally suck that when you're dodging the truth, you end up with I don't know a mess. It just it doesn't end well, no matter how you do it. But how would you, what kind of advice would you give to someone who is worried? They're afraid, they're concerned to have that conversation because in their mind they're playing well, what if, what if this, that and what if he leaves? Which is ironic because they're the one who is wanting to leave because the relationship is so bad. But human psychology is complicated.
Junie Moon Guest
19:02
Humans are complicated, emotions are complicated. We are very unique beings, for sure. Well, first of all, we don't have to do everything right now. Let's all take a breath into that. We don't have to make any decisions right now. We wouldn't put our tiny two-year-old on a bike without trainer wheels.
19:22
That was the first time I used that metaphor, but I think it's good, you know, because they're not going to know how to do that Step by step. We need to learn or relearn and, frankly, I didn't do this by myself. I had mentors, I had transformational coaches, I had shadow work coaches. I had people teaching me literally how to have these difficult conversations that scared the heck out of me. I'm still uncomfortable with these conversations. However, I know the price I pay if I don't have them, but I don't have the conversation, and this is what I teach my clients don't have the conversation until you've worked your stuff, until you're clear about what you're going to say.
20:05
What was the impact of the problem, the challenge that you're perceiving, what is it you actually even want to ask from this person, and how can you do it, in a way, without pointing a finger and blaming them? It's an inside job. So, slowly, consciously, we come home to ourselves and hopefully with support, because, like I said, we got blind spots. We've been trained all these years to be the way we are. Yeah, it takes time, but it doesn't have to take years or decades, it's just some tools and we need to do some unpacking and loving ourselves, because if we don't truly have that deep self-love and connection to what we want, how we want to be treated, then it's not going to go well. And guess what? If we don't know how to treat ourselves well and if we have horrible self-talk, then we're going to accept some really bad behavior from other people as well.
Karen Covy Host
21:00
Yeah. So you keep talking about knowing what you want and identifying what you want. And it's funny because I spent decades of my career in courtrooms and it makes me smile because sometimes you'd have a lawyer standing up in front of the judge at the bench arguing the bejesus out of something judge this, this and that and this, and they have the case law and the motions and everything. And the judge would just look down and go what do you want? What do you want me to do about? Because I have to do something right. And oftentimes the lawyer would be just kind of flabbergasted and say well, you know, because people often and not just in the law, but people often don't know what they want. So what would you say to somebody who says I don't know, I just don't know what I want?
Junie Moon Guest
21:54
Yeah, and that happens. It happens often because we're so in the pain and the what's not working and the fear that that risk manager and I'm going to be using that because this is what's going on inside of us that part is kind of going ooh, if she knows what she wants, she might change some things up and then what might happen? With that said, we need to slow it down and we need to take some steps to figure this out. What is it that we want? And ask ourselves, if we had the magic wand, what would it look like? How do I want to be treated? What do I want to wake up to? What kind of job do I like? Do I want to travel? Do I want to stay home? Who am I?
22:36
I mean, people come to me and say, just give me the dating strategies, I just want a partner and I'll say, okay, I can do that and I can probably get you in a relationship or you can find someone really soon. But do you really just want a relationship and dating tools or do you want to actually nail it and actually have something sustainable and quality partners? So we need to. We need to do some inner work. How we are being is what is going to show up in our relationship and our life. So how do you know what you want?
23:09
Take some time and do some exploration, do some journaling, uh, and get some support. You know, if you can't see what you want, you have a block and there's a reason. There's a part of you that's really scared that something is going to be very painful if you actually change things up. So that's so black and white and that's what we do. And going back to the courtroom scenario, we're so trained and supported by a lot of people around us to go, and then he did this, and then he did this and oh my God, and I was so hurt and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then we go oh my God, you poor thing. That sounds horrible. We're in the problem and we just go round and round and round and the answer's not in the problem. We can certainly learn a lot from the problem, but at some point we got to put that aside and just go. Okay, why am I allowing this? And if this wasn't here, if this problem, this challenge wasn't here, what would change for me?
Karen Covy Host
24:11
It's what I call getting attached to your story, that you fall in love with the story so much that you can't let it go. But as long as you're spinning in the story, you can never ever find the solution to the problem or create a new story.
Junie Moon Guest
24:27
Exactly, and so the work I do. We look at what is in shadow. What are the blind spots? What belief did you pick up along the way that had you say I better not be like that or show up like this. Let me throw away my selfishness, because I was told I was selfish as a little kid, so now I'm a people pleaser. We threw away the ability for self-care or let me not be angry, because anger hurts but we threw away anger. But inside anger is the ability to have healthy boundaries and to speak our truth. So we need to see what's really going on on the inside and then we need to shift it.
25:05
I mean, I had this client come to me once and she was and this is my favorite story. So people that have heard me before, just listen again. Maybe you'll hear another golden nugget It's just, I just love it.
25:20
She came to me in her mid-fifties. Great life never had a long-term partner because she kept attracting the same person over and over and it was not a fit. I'm going to keep it neutral, but it wasn't a fit. And she came to me and she was just like, and she knew me, and she was like Junie, I'm giving up hope. I'm like in my 50s, like all I meet are these guys that are this, that, whatever. And then I sabotage it and blow it up. It's never going to work for me, but can you help me?
25:44
So she joined my year-long program. It's called Midlife, love Unleashed, where we unleash our true, authentic self by unpacking and letting go of the BS belief systems. And so we did this process and she knew this on some level, but it hit her like a ton of bricks. She went back in time and went oh my God, my parents had a very X, y and Z relationship and I took on a belief that love hurts, relationships don't work and this is painful. And so that risk manager took that on and said well, I don't want you in a relationship, so I'm going to keep having you go in relationships that never last. And so she had this breakthrough. She disconnected from that belief and truly took on a new way of being of I can have a healthy relationship, I can have a partnership. I don't have to have it the way my parents showed me. And within a couple of weeks and I'm not kidding you.
26:45
She was at a party with some friends and this guy she'd known for years but she never saw him as relationship material because the risk manager saw uh-oh long-term relationship material and he never saw her as a possibility either. And they got together Within six months. She had a promise ring on her finger. They've been married for I don't even know how many years right now. I saw them a few weeks ago. They're so happy.
27:09
But she couldn't see it. She couldn't see the belief of if I get married or if I'm in a long-term relationship, it's going to be painful, and so as soon as she was able to see that and then disconnect and change and shift with the healing work that we do in shadow work, then she was able to have a very different life. So we need to slow down. We need to hopefully have even the slightest little spark inside of us that believes something can change. And trust me when I say it can, because if I can do it, you can do it. I see it all the time with my clients and give yourself that opportunity to do some inner healing work. You deserve it.
Karen Covy Host
27:50
You know what you said, too, was, so I think I want to highlight it because I don't want people to miss the fact that she didn't see it Like she genuinely had no idea what her beliefs were, because we all like to think that we're in control of our own mind and that we know what's in there, but the truth is you might have no idea what you're carrying around with you.
Junie Moon Guest
28:15
Yeah, yeah. And if 95% of our brain is unconscious and all we're working with is the oh I, you know the 5% of I want a partner and I want something differently. If, in the recesses of your mind, there's all that history telling you danger, danger, danger, is it really going to happen? And is it going to happen in a healthy way? I have a quiz. It's called Discover your Love Avatar. It's such a cool quiz. It took me a long time.
28:45
I took a while to create it and it helps you see how relationship ready you are by showing you your superpower, because there's three avatars and each one has a superpower of what you bring to the table, how you're being and how this is working for you. And I talk about your challenges, your blind spots or where you need to work, and I give a full report. That's on my website. I know we'll talk about it in a few minutes. We need to look at this. We need to see where we are and not make it worse than it is or better than it is, and just drop into truth.
29:20
And frankly and I'll be really honest with you I don't work with just anybody People that come to me to talk with me. They have to be able to be honest with themselves up to a point. If they push against or they're like no, no, no, no, Like if there's no way in, then they are attached to their story to the umpteenth degree. And so, if you can drop in and go ouch, I'm not happy with how things are, I don't like how I'm showing up or who's showing up in my life, and I really want something to change. If you could drop into that truth, then I promise you things can change and things can be magical.
Karen Covy Host
29:58
That is so beautiful, Junie, the work you do is so important and it's I think you can help so many people. I mean the idea that bringing love into your life and dating, especially post-divorce it's not just about swiping left or right Right, there's. There's so much more to it. and it's about doing the work.
Junie Moon Guest
30:21
Yeah, yeah, and giving ourselves the opportunity to have a different second act. Not a different second act, but a second act that we absolutely love. And what's different about and a lot of people ask this what's different about shadow work and a lot of other modalities out there? I mean, a lot of people come to me and they're like oh my God, I've done therapy for years, I've read all these books, I've done workshops. Not all of them, in fact, very few of the modalities that are out there get beyond the conscious mind.
30:52
And so you're looking in the mirror, going I love myself, I love myself. Or you're doing your vision boards. All of those are nice tools, but they're nice tools. They're not going to help you truly let go of your deepest fears and your deepest what ifs, as you said earlier. And if you can sit with the what ifs and really pull them apart, you have choice and you could choose to say well, you know what? This is my belief and I actually I'm going to hold to this. However, what about this Like to be able to be in that incubator of what's possible and to sit with what can shift and change. It's another whole world.
Karen Covy Host
31:37
Yeah, I can see that, Junie. We could go on and on and on, but out of respect for your time and the audience's time, I think we're going to have to bring this full circle. Tell people if they're interested in learning more about you, about the work that you do, about your podcast, about your book, about anything. Where can they find you?
Junie Moon Guest
31:57
Thank you. So midlife love out loud is my handle. It's midlifeloveoutloud.com and it's on Instagram, it's on Facebook, but if you go to the midlifeloveoutloud.com my website, you'll find so many things, including the quiz. You'll see the podcast, you'll see great articles and an opportunity to ask for a love breakthrough session where we could actually sit down and talk about what are your blind spots and what do you desire.
32:25
So I would just say go there, spend some time there, ask yourself is this something you're willing to lean into? And don't be surprised if there's some fear that bubbles up when you do get there, because you're actually taking a step into looking at some things you may never have looked at before and that can feel uncomfortable. But I promise you it's way more scary and way more uncomfortable not to look, because then you're going to keep doing what you're doing and if it's not working, it's going to continue to not work. And then we look back and go oh, oh, my God, how did I get here and why didn't I start sooner? So go there.
Karen Covy Host
33:01
Yeah, those are definitely words of wisdom. So, Junie, thank you again for all of your time and for those of you who are out there watching or listening. If you enjoyed today's conversation, if you want more of this kind of thing, please do me a big favor. Like the video, like the podcast, subscribe everywhere, and I look forward to seeing you again next time.
