Episode Description
Wangari Kamau, the founder of Soma Global Consulting, is no stranger to life's challenges. From standing up against unequal pay to enduring a complicated international divorce after a nearly 30-year marriage, she has weathered many storms. Yet through it all, she found the resilience to not just survive, but thrive.
Her journey led her to develop powerful methods for nurturing mind, body and spirit during life's toughest transitions. Wangari now guides others, especially women over 50, to craft personalized self-care "templates" incorporating techniques like mindfulness, meditation, gentle movement and connecting with supportive communities. She also leads highly sought-after wellness retreats to Kenya where she immerses participants in restorative practices and cultural experiences.
Whether you're navigating divorce, redefining your identity after a major career shift, or simply seeking more balance in life, Wangari's wisdom will help. With compassion and an “I’ve been-there-myself understanding,” she teaches practical ways to emerge from life’s difficulties stronger and more self-assured than ever before.
If you’re facing a tough life transition, this episode was made for you.
Show Notes
About Wangari
Wangari’s passion for working on wellness awareness came from two life-altering events, moments of profound upheaval that nudged her toward the path of healing and self-discovery. The first event was when she found the courage to raise my voice against unequal pay, facing intense backlash and dehumanizing treatment, which left me navigating the vast and intimidating ocean of emotional trauma alone. The second event was the end of my almost 30-year marriage, which left me standing at the precipice of my 50s, tasked with redefining my identity beyond what had always anchored me. From these earth-shattering experiences, I learned to piece together a new version of myself, stronger and more resilient.
Connect with Wangari
You can connect with Wangari on LinkedIn at Wangari Kamau and follow her on Instagram at allwell50plus. You can learn more about the services and events that Wangari has to offer, visit her website at Tembeya Wellness Retreats. Wangari invites you to attend her Meditation Safari Retreat to Kenya, primarily for Women above 50 from September 24 to October 3, 2024.
Key Takeaways From This Episode with Wangari
- Wangari Kamau is the founder of Soma Global Consulting and curates global leadership and wellness retreats
- Her passion for wellness began after experiencing backlash for raising voice against unequal pay, and going through a difficult divorce at age 50 after almost 30 years of marriage
- She had to redefine her identity and piece together a stronger, more resilient version of herself
- She guides others through major life transitions using a "personal mirror approach" focused on mind, body, and spirit
- For the mind, she recommends learning new skills unrelated to the challenge
- For the body, any physical activity like exercise, gardening, or housework
- For the spirit, meditation, community support, giving back
- Her retreats aim to help women over 50 feel rejuvenated and see a path forward after transitions
- She does one-day "restorative day" retreats in the U.S. with Kenyan cultural immersion
- Longer 10-day "meditation safari retreats" in Kenya combining safari with self-discovery
- She offers mini one-day retreats and longer international retreats involving a safari in Kenya
- The retreats incorporate meditation, immersing in other cultures, and building community
- Wangari recommends doing a retreat in the middle or after a divorce, when feeling lost about what's next
- The goal is to not let the divorce define your entire life, but use it as motivation for growth
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Transcript
The Resilience Recipe: Wangari Kamau's Secrets to Bouncing Back Stronger
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
meditation, wellness, equality, mindfulness
SPEAKERS
Karen Covy, Wangari Kamau
Karen Covy Host: 0:10
Hello and welcome to Off the Fence, a podcast where we deconstruct difficult decision-making so we can discover what keeps us stuck and, more importantly, how we can get unstuck and start making even tough decisions with confidence. I'm your host, Karen Covy, a former divorce lawyer, mediator and arbitrator, turned coach, author and entrepreneur. And now, without further ado, let's get on with the show.
With me today is Wangari Kamau. Wangari is the founder and principal consultant of Soma Global Consulting. Wangari is a curator of global leadership and wellness retreats. Her passion for working on wellness awareness began when she found the courage to raise her voice against unequal pay and experience the intense backlash that came along with doing that. The second event that was traumatic for her was the end of her almost 30-year marriage, which left her standing at the precipice of her 50s, tasked with redefining her identity beyond what had always anchored her in the past. Both of those experiences forced Wangari to piece together a new, stronger and more resilient version of herself. She now guides others to do the same. Wangari, welcome to the show.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 1:32
Thank you, Karen. I really appreciate you having me on your podcast and look forward to us having a productive discussion that can help others to make this journey that I have made. So thank you for giving me this opportunity to be here, it is my pleasure and I love your story.
Karen Covy Host: 1:52
So if you could, if you want, to start with a little bit of your backstory, because I think it's very unique and can teach a lot of people a lot of things about resilience.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 2:03
Well, I could say that maybe the first resilient story starts when you come to the United States as an immigrant and then you start working here and just adapting from your home culture. And I ended up working in an organization where I was fully dependent on my visa, on my employer organization where I was fully dependent on my visa, on my employer and at the same time, this is where my initial battle started, when I challenged a pay equity issue and we'll dig a bit into that later. And then I left the organization and I started my own company doing leadership development, consulting and always looking at the holistic person, because people in leadership tend to go, go, go and the wellness aspect is sometimes left out. So just bringing those together into leadership development programs.
Karen Covy Host: 2:58
That is so beautiful and so important, because I think you're a hundred percent right. You know especially high achieving and successful professionals, executive business owners. They're so focused on getting the job done the job being everything other than taking care of themselves that they don't take care of themselves, and so the fact that you were able to bring some awareness of that and some practices to counteract that into the workplace is really, really needed, I think.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 3:32
Yes, for sure, for sure. And being solopreneurs and working on our own too. We shouldn't forget also the people who are working on their own women running their own businesses, men running their own businesses, their own women running their own businesses, men running their own businesses.
Karen Covy Host: 3:48
Everybody needs some support to be reminded that your self-care is critical to the success of what you do in life. Right, because if you go down and you are the whole business or the linchpin of the business, that means your entire operation is going to suffer or fall. If you suffer or fall, entire operation is going to suffer or fall. If you suffer or fall, but your fight with equal pay, your work with leadership, that wasn't the end of your story. I want to talk about a little bit, if you don't mind sharing, about your divorce, because your situation was more complicated than most. You had a divorce that involved international issues, which is always complicating. So if you wouldn't mind sharing a little bit about that.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 4:26
yes, and divorce is always difficult, no matter where you are at in life. And now I know I'm in a group called the Grey Divorce, being somebody over 50. And my situation was, as you mentioned, further complicated by the fact that my ex now ex-spouse lived in a different country and the rules there are very different from the rules here in the United States. So one, just one anecdote I can pull from there is when in the United States you're getting divorced within the national borders of the US, you end up sending something by regular post and there's a little green label that the court wants to see yeah, in my situation.
Karen Covy Host: 5:22
Yes, that's what is that? When you send something by certified mail, you get a little green card back. Yes, that's what you're referring to the certified card mail.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 5:32
You've been, uh, you've been in this space, oh yeah. And what happened in my situation? The courts did not understand that this could not be done, in that when they asked for the certified mail the green label, and my lawyer had to explain oh, this cannot be done because it's an international divorce, and we sent everything actually by DHL and, of course, to get these responses back and forth takes time. And when the courts came back they said oh, you were not authorized to do that, you need to get permission to do that. So we had to go back and rewrite and ask for permission to do that and then do the same thing we had done earlier to send the documentation. Wow, the cost also is, of course, astronomical, the timeline it takes, and usually the judges here understand that. Also, when it comes to the portion of divorce settlement, they cannot rule on anything that's outside the United States jurisdiction or the borders Wow. So that, of course, sometimes may mean rule on anything that's outside the United States jurisdiction or the borders Wow. So that, of course, sometimes may mean that you're exiting a marriage where you were somebody who was a partner, but you're only going to get the assets that are based in the country where you currently reside and for me that was in the United States and where the judge had jurisdiction, because this is where I filed for divorce.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 7:10
So the back and forth, the trauma of all that, and coming out of the tail end of this fight about pay equity, I was emotionally drained, was emotionally drained, traumatized, tired. It was one of those situations, Karen. I had not had the inner strength to pull myself and say no, I really, really need to find a therapist who can work with me. And I'm lucky enough. After a few interviews here and there, I did find somebody who could work with me.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 7:50
However, just working with a therapist was not enough, because you also have to figure out how are you going to go on making sure you maintain that part of taking care of yourself, of your mind, of your body and spirit. So I found myself setting up a template how was I going to take care of my mind? How was I going to take care of my body? How was I going to take care of my spirit? Because if I did not put those templates in place, I was heading for, I guess, what people might call a mental breakdown or a nervous breakdown, but it was not going to be pretty. So by just making sure I had those milestones or that template in place, that was really great for me, really great for me. And I have worked and talked to other women who've been on similar journeys and told them it's not about whether you can even afford the lawyer or whether you can afford to do this legal aspect of it. You really have to put in place that template to take care of your mind, your body and your spirit.
Karen Covy Host: 9:04
So when you say template, I'm curious, what do you mean by that?
Wangari Kamau Guest: 9:10
Well, for some people I say, when you're like for your mind, you have to see what, depending on your personality, is going to work best for you. And that means you're helping your mind sort of compartmentalize, move away from this huge thing you're going through. And you can do this by learning a new dance, learning how to play a new musical instrument, learning how to swim it doesn't matter Just totally learning something new that is unrelated to all this stuff that is going on. And when it comes to your body, that means you're working to move your body. I know some people push back when it comes to exercise. Not everybody loves exercising and going to the gym. But just being active whether it's going to be gardening, even just doing your own housework you save the money and you have no one to complain to about those corners that nobody got to. It's all up to you. Wash your car, just something that gets your body moving, your mobility.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 10:26
Then we come to the spirit. This can be prayer, it can be meditation. I am big on meditation, that's my mode, that's what I use, and even when I work with people, one-on-one or with groups, I always use meditation techniques to work through different things, whether it's life transitions or something somebody's going through. So meditation and also looking after your spirit in a way that you have your tribe, you have your go-to. Who is your community, who holds you there when you need to say, as Brene Brown says, when you need to have your ugly cry, yeah, who can you pick up the phone and call at 3 am. That is what I mean when I say community somebody who's really got your back. Yeah, that also really helps you take care of your spirit. And taking care of your spirit, I think, also involves finding a way to draw from the fact that you are a human person on this earth. How can you also give back? How can you help others?
Karen Covy Host: 11:45
Wow, that's huge. I mean because most people, when they're going through some major life trauma could be a divorce, could be like in your case, the fight over equal pay, could be a job transition, could be a lot of. You know a lot of different things, but when you're in the midst of the trauma yourself, most people don't think about giving back. I mean, how can you? What would you recommend to help people make that mindset shift? What would you say if they said I just I don't have the bandwidth to think about anything other than the mess I'm in.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 12:20
Because when you then make that mess or that challenge the center and the focal point of your life, then that is where you start going down a slippery slope because you have allowed it to consume you. Okay. And the moment you allow it to consume you, then it becomes, as the French say, your raison d'etre, that your very reason for existing. It's what defines you. Think of it like. It becomes your brand and you're letting it and letting that person or the situation really eat you up and become the reason that you're here in this world, which is not true.
Karen Covy Host: 13:07
That is so profound. I really hope people hear that and listen to it. But you know. So what would you recommend when somebody is all consumed? Because divorce can be all consuming, let's just put that out there. I usually tell people it's like having a second full-time job for sure, and if you let that take all of your focus, you do go down that slippery slope. How do you find something else to focus on?
Wangari Kamau Guest: 13:36
I think it's baby steps. For example, first of all, I would say the most important two people you should have in your corner if you're going to go through this you need a good lawyer and you need a good therapist. Better still, if you can find a divorce coach who's a lawyer like Karen, then you have a perfect match. I kept saying to Karen I wish I had known you before I went through what I went through, because the emotional side tends to drive everything tends to drive everything 100% right.
Karen Covy Host: 14:25
100% Because the emotions fuel the fight. The fight makes the legal bills go crazy, and when you are focused on the fight, what you focus on expands. You get more fight. You just do so. That's why I think that your experience is so profound. So I'm hearing that you had that good lawyer, you had the good therapist, you got through your divorce, but then what? How did you start to put back together the pieces, not of your old life, because that was gone, but how did you create a new life that you're very happy about?
Wangari Kamau Guest: 15:02
Well, as I mentioned earlier, just having that template, balancing my mind, my body and spirit and saying what did I do to get this harmony?
Wangari Kamau Guest: 15:15
Like, what did I do?
Wangari Kamau Guest: 15:17
How did I think, okay, I'm going to work on my mind, baby steps, and next I'm going to start putting in place those markers on how I'm going to work on my body and I'm going to put in place those markers how I'm going to work on my spirit.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 15:35
It's an individual journey, yes, but working through it got me to a point where I realized I can help other people who are coming after me save a lot of time by doing this, and I came up with a methodology that I call a personal mirror approach because, for me, a personal mirror approach is saying to that person you're looking at yourself in the mirror and saying I matter and I am important, so I need to take care of me. And how am I going to take care of my mind? So I sit with that person, look at where they are in life and what, because not everybody's going to be able to sit down and meditate for 45 minutes or half an hour, so what can we slot in that will help this person do something based on the time they have and based on where their mindset is today they have and based on where their mindset is today.
Karen Covy Host: 16:38
So how do you do that? Because I know let's talk about meditation. A lot of people use meditation as a tool to get through their divorce or any other trauma, or even just daily life. But so many people won't use it because they think, oh, that means I have to sit on a mountaintop for an hour, or, if I don't do it for X amount of time, it's not enough. What would you say to that? How much time do you need to meditate?
Wangari Kamau Guest: 17:07
I would say that it's about. There's a subset of meditation called mindfulness and that means you can get up in the morning and maybe your routine is you always have a cup of coffee or a cup of tea and as you're making that cup of coffee or tea be truly present, how do you do that? I'm putting the water in the coffee maker two ounces.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 17:34
You're repeating the steps of what you're doing as you are doing it so like you have that conversation in your own head, in your own head as you're repeating to yourself as you go through those steps, and sometimes when you're going through something and then you're making coffee and you're worried about that situation, and then you go and you stir and then you think, did I put sugar in this? Or even you set the coffee maker and you don't put the water in.
Karen Covy Host: 18:03
It happens when you're laughing because it does happen. I, I like bene, they're done. How many times do people lose their keys? I can't remember where you put your phone. You and it was in your. You put it down somewhere, but you're not paying attention.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 18:17
Exactly so. You're slowly and when you're doing this, you're just breathing slowly. You breathe in and you breathe out as slowly as you can. So you're saying two spoons of sugar, one, two, one, two. You're really present in that moment and breathing in and breathing out slowly. Breathing out should be actually slower than the rhythm of breathing in, and when you do that, that time it takes you to do that will help you immensely will help you immensely.
Karen Covy Host: 19:02
So what I'm hearing you say is even if you don't have the time to meditate, or you think you can't meditate because so many people think they're doing it wrong, I can't do this, I can't focus, whatever that. Even just taking the time to be mindful when you're doing a routine task, that's a start.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 19:17
Yes, and it's a great start, especially when people are feeling so overwhelmed by this big thing they're going through this divorce, or this rebranding, when they're retiring and moving to their next act, or this caregiving role of looking after an aging parent or even a spouse who is ill, because that's when, actually, you need to take care of yourself. But the pushback is I don't have the time.
Karen Covy Host: 19:47
Exactly, exactly.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 19:50
And sometimes I say to people you know, I don't have a lot of money, Wangari, what can I do? Even if you can go to a public library and sit in the quiet room and borrow a book or borrow a periodical, and just sit in there for half an hour and read, that's good enough. So this is what I was saying, Karen, when I said I sit with people and look at their family situation or their particular situation, and then, when I use the personalized mirror approach, I come up with a strategy for them that works for them. And some people live in areas where it's not safe to be outside. So I say, just put on your walking shoes and stand on the spot and listen to your podcast, and when your podcast ends, you're done, your workout is over, you're just walking on the spot. So really meeting people and helping them see that, when it comes to mind, body and spirit, we can find a way.
Karen Covy Host: 20:58
Yeah, absolutely yes. How do you find a way? Because what I find so fascinating about you and your story and it's like you said, it's like so many other people the gray divorce. When you're divorcing and you are over 50, right, and you've been married, you've been in a long-term marriage it's your whole identity that's shattered. How did you go about rebuilding your sense of self, your identity, your personal, your faith in yourself?
Wangari Kamau Guest: 21:36
It was not an easy journey and the one thing I can say is I truly focused on asking myself this question what do I want? Question. You're not going to come up with a response immediately. Sometimes you can journal about it for even a week, even if you're out hiking and you're thinking what do I want? Who do I want to be for the next half of my life?
Wangari Kamau Guest: 22:14
And I felt for me it came down to a value system in that I want to be somebody who is truly honest with self and I don't know if you know Don Luis Miguel. He talks about the importance of speaking truth to self. The four agreements yes, exactly so speaking truth to self is critical for me and I have followed that ethos and that means also that I don't put myself in situations where there's negative energy. and I always feel that creating also. I worked to create community and one of the people who I created community with just went through an illness. She had breast cancer and the whole group just rallied and it was a true show of what community can do when you take the time to cultivate that community and you all trust each other and you. That 3am phone call. So I created that, or I was part of that.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 23:37
I worked really hard to make sure I put that in place, and the other thing I also made sure to do is just to truly own what I do in life, and it's about having a growth mindset. It's about saying, oh, supposing we do this podcast and it doesn't work out, I'm not going to go in my corner and think, oh, you know, I think Karen actually didn't like me, that's why she didn't do the podcast. I could come back to you and say, oh, do you want to give me some feedback on, maybe, why we weren't able to do the podcast? And you could say you know, Wangari, maybe there was a tech issue. It's more about having a growth mindset is asking also what else could be going on here.
Karen Covy Host: 24:32
Yes, you know, we all you make such a good point because we all take in bits of information and then we make a story from it in our own head and we believe the story that we make up and what we don't realize is that that story might not be true.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 24:48
Very, very true. Yeah, that is so true. And I also want to own everything, everything. I want to be responsible, because I think in my marriage I handed over a lot of responsibility and control to my spouse, so making sure that I stand in that and that I own my space. I stand in my truth, in my courage, my power and just to be somebody who writes their own story, rather than giving someone else the pen.
Karen Covy Host: 25:28
I love that. I just love that, and you certainly are, in my humble opinion, an icon of courage for all of the things that you've done and you've stood up for and that you now help other you've stood up for and that you now help other people is just. It's a beautiful thing, and I want to get into that now because I don't want to get to the end of our time together and not have delved into. What are these retreats that you do? Who are they for? How do they work? What will people become by participating in one of these retreats?
Wangari Kamau Guest: 26:05
Well, the retreats. My one takeaway that I would like people to have is one I want them to come back from the retreat feeling rejuvenated. I also want them to come back from the retreat feeling that they see a way forward, whichever way they craft that way forward for them. And the retreats are mainly, of course, it's a group and I primarily focus on women over 50, but it doesn't mean that's all that I focus on for the cohort groups and I do two types of retreats.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 26:49
There's what I call a mini retreat, which I do here in the United States, in the area where I live, that's, in the Washington DC area, on the East Coast, and on the mini retreats, I call them a restorative day. It's just one day where we also have what I call a taste of Kenya, which is my country of origin. So I immerse people in Kenyan culture, the food, we do some of the Kenyan music, we do some of the empowering things that help women in that age group, and we also use, of course, I love meditation, meditation techniques to work through different things and for women over 50, right now my focus is just looking at things to do with transitions and using meditation as a tool. So that's a mini retreat and when it's the bigger retreat, which is wrapped in with a safari.
Karen Covy Host: 27:49
Wow.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 27:50
Meditation safari retreat, and these are usually 10 days. And again I take people back to Kenya and we do the Maasai Mara. We spend some time in Nairobi just doing gathering circles, knowledge sharing with people who are part of the cohort group, and then we spend time in the Mount Kenya area and then we come back and, because I really believe also immersing yourself in a different culture, traveling really opens up your mind.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 28:25
And it also helps you know sometimes that you're not alone, that there are other people who have also gone through this experience. Maybe they're in a different culture, but they have gone through this experience too, and as human beings we are more alike than we're different. So that immersive cultural piece is something I always like, because I came from a working background of international development and I believe that cultural intelligence and also cultural awareness is really important.
Karen Covy Host: 28:59
That sounds amazing. But I have a question for you. Say, I'm a woman over 50, which I am and I'm going through a divorce, which I'm not. But let's say, when would be a good time for someone to consider going on this kind of retreat to heal, to rebuild themselves? Should they wait till their divorce is over? Should they do it in the middle? When is a good time to go?
Wangari Kamau Guest: 29:28
I think in the middle or probably at the end it would work better, because that's the time you really feel oh my goodness, now what?
Karen Covy Host: 29:43
Exactly. I'm so glad that you said this. I can't begin to tell you the number of people you know. When I was actively practicing law, I'd take them to court. It's their final hearing and I have to tell you it is the most anticlimactic thing you're ever going to experience. You know, you get married, there's a big wedding, there's guests, there's a big celebration. You go to divorce court. You're standing in front of the judge for maybe 10 minutes. They ask a bunch of routine questions. You're like yes, no, yes, no. There may be a whole courtroom of strangers behind you or there may be nobody. And the judge says okay, you're divorced, have a nice life, and people walk out and they go. Is that it? Is it done? Is this all? Because it seems like a nothing event.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 30:31
Exactly, and that's where that mind, body, spirit part comes in, part comes in, because some people then I think I've seen people who gone to the other extreme and dunning things that you're like, okay, okay, it's like they need to live life in the fast lane or something like that, because it's like these. Oh, some people feel they want to hurt the person who was their ex spouse and they then invest in all that negative energy. So the now what portion, that personalized mirror approach, is a critical piece of getting to your next act, is a critical piece of getting to your next act because also, living your life with all this anger or resentment in you is so counterproductive, and they've even done a lot of study which show that then inflammation sets in, then you start getting ill, then it becomes a ripple effect of things that don't end well yeah, I often tell my clients and it becomes a ripple effect of things that don't end well.
Karen Covy Host: 31:40
Yeah, I often tell my clients you want divorce to be a bump in the road of your life, not the defining moment of your life. Thank you.
Karen Covy Host: 31:51
Exactly yes, it's a life event and I know when you're going through it, you think it will last forever, but you also can't let it define your life and define who you are. I couldn't agree more. I mean, and I'm sure we both know people who have clung to the divorce as that defining moment and they're bitter and they're angry. And you know, I've talked to people who are just like spitting mad at their ex and and I'll say to them, well, how, you know how long ago were you divorced? And they'll say 10 years. And I think, oh, my goodness, you've been living like this for 10 years.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 32:35
Yes, those are the people I guess mean.
Karen Covy Host: 32:40
I'd say shake it off. Shake it off. I know, and those are also the people who would look at you and say that's not that easy.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 32:46
Well, nothing in life worth having is ever easy. You do have to put in the work if you want to get to the other side and live a healthy life and age with mobility, with all your faculties within you. And having relationships is not just also about sexual relationships. It's also about relationships where you have that community, where you have those people, where you can be in those and be fulfilled. It doesn't mean because you now do not have a spouse that quote unquote you are nothing or you are nobody. That's where really that therapist portion comes in. But the other portion, that personal mirror approach, is that's your ongoing care of how you are going to take care of yourself from now on, because you're somebody else now.
Karen Covy Host: 33:42
It's like you hit reset. Yep, you make a really good point. This is not a just you know one and done. This is a lifelong practice and that you're always in the process of, if you can adopt that growth mindset of continually learning, of becoming the next thing, and the next thing, and the next thing, and that's all okay.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 34:05
Exactly, and at the end of the day, it may sound difficult when you're going through it or when you've come to the end of it and, like you said, that anticlimactic moment when the dad says okay, fine next, and you're like, oh, is that it? But you will get through it. It won't last forever and life will go on.
Karen Covy Host: 34:31
A hundred percent. And you know, even the people that I've spoken with who have had really long drawn out ugly divorces they end sometime. At some point you will be divorced and the question is, how do you want to create your life afterwards? And it sounds like you really help people do that in a fulfilling and beautiful way.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 34:58
Yes, and I would love to work, because there's nobody like somebody who's worked, walked that journey before you to tell you, to hold your hand and also tell you this is how I think, based on where you are. This is the small step.
Karen Covy Host: 35:15
This is where you can start Right, because people get overwhelmed, they think there's too much, I can't do it, I can't do it. It's like my father used to say you can't eat the whole elephant in one bite. Exactly, you cannot, you know. So you just take little baby steps, and it's the tortoise and the hare story. You keep taking those baby steps, you will get to the end. Yes, taking those baby steps, you will get to the end. Yes, and I think that with that there is no better place to bring an end to our conversation. But before I do that, Wangari, can you tell people where they can find you and where they can find the information about your retreat? I mean, we'll link to it all in the show notes, but just give people, if they're listening, where can they go to find you?
Wangari Kamau Guest: 36:11
You can find me on LinkedIn. My name is Wangari Kamau , w-a-n-g-a-r-i-k-a-m-a-u, and if you type G-P-H-R, that way you can find me, because there are very many Wangari Kamau on LinkedIn. It's a very common name. And you can find me also on Instagram. My handle is allwell50plus and I also. My wellness business is under Tembeya T-E-M-B-E-Y-A wellness retreats, and Tembea is a Swahili word that means to travel, to walk about, so it's a play on my roots.
Karen Covy Host: 36:47
I love that. Wangari, thank you so much for sharing your story, sharing your journey and all of your wisdom. I really appreciate it.
Wangari Kamau Guest: 36:55
Thank you for the opportunity, Karen, and I look forward to hearing, seeing the podcast.
Karen Covy Host: 37:02
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